I just found out about this RErelease by Adrie’s son. I just think it is so wrong. The kit was limited to 625 and now her son is releasing a 2nd (open)edition… I just think it stinks like when Andrea Arcello and Nikki Johnson reopened Harper and Sleeping Robin. So unfair to the collectors that thought they had sold out kits.
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I agree. It is so shady 
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I saw that this morning and was thinking the same thing! I get that they want to make money from a popular kit, but rereleasing it isnt fair.
It would have been great to know if this was one of Adrie’s wishes. I’d be more on board if that were the case.
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It’s so messed up! And so easy to find… they cant say we didnt know she said that…
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I understand the princible behind it, but what is the issue with value?
Isn’t it the case that the lower the number, the higher the quality and value? So even if it is reissued, it is done with a mold that is not as ‘fresh’ as it was in the beginning, sonselling value would be lower?
That how it works with lithographs valuations and such.
I do think the prices of limited editions should be the same as opens, especially if its going to be the norm now, to reissue.
But it really only effects those who treat kits like real estate and try to make profits from blank kits? Or does it lower finished babies as well?
There are artists that like to purchase bulk LE’s, which is well within there rights to do so, but it makes it harder on newbies or low income artists.
We cannot obtain these kits as easily as there are no limits placed per customer for LE’s. And I’m mostly refering to kits that are limited to 700 and under, not ones that are like 2000.
No flame please🫣
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Simply put, to sell something as a Limited Edition and then later go back and produce it again is fraudulent. It is a violation of Limited Edition status.
As someone who owns an original once LE Lizzy kit, I am furious!
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Oh okay. So its breaching consumer law? Then how are they doing it without repercusions? If it isnt breaching any law, maybe it can be brought to local members or whoever controls consumer regulations and appeal for there to be a rule put in place?
Because sculptors have gotten away with doing this before and Adrie is no longer with us to protest. Who is going to take them to task over this? We the consumers? Not hardly. It is an expensive battle. I am so sick of being lied to by companies about LE kits. We buy something on good faith that it is a LE and then later find it is all a lie. Lots of people paid more money for their kits on the 2ndary market because they were collectibles. Now this destroys any collectible value associated with the COA and LE status. I still love my Lizzy and I will reborn her and keep her in memory of Adrie because Adrie did not do this but I sold my Andrea Arcello kits and personal babies when she did this. This industry is becoming its own worst enemy. How can we fight pirating when we got our own companies doing the same thing to us?
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In 2020 I purchased 2 Lizzy kits on the 2ndary market. I was thrilled to find them. I did pay a bit more at $250 each. I did not mind because she was a low number LE of 625. I reborn this one and sold her and kept the other kit to reborn to keep. I have finally been working through my keeper kits this year and have 4 more to reborn, one of which is my Lizzy.
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I won’t buy it , sorry . Not much we can do .
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Aww she is such a cutie.
Wondering what COA numbers are on Lizzy’s that were reborned. Her son says the edition still had over 400 not produced? I call bull!
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Oof, that’s shady. I don’t think things like ‘limited edition’ have a legal status? But it’s still lying to consumers, which is illegal.
I think her son is in the Netherlands too, like Adrie was? I’d have to look into the laws here.
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I don’t even like the first edition, second edition business. Especially when they word it as limited first edition. I think it should just be limited edition or open edition and that’s it. Otherwise there’s too much confusion. Unless they are making a change when they release a second edition it’s really just more of the first edition so how is that limited? Sorry for anyone who has a limited edition Lizzy 
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I never understood that either. Either it’s limited or it isn’t. Limited first edition is just “I ordered this many from the factory and give out numbered certificates”.
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That sounds like BS to me! Did they not start at #1 when they sent them out? Look at my COA. It is #423 or at least I think that is a 4. Could be a 6 I suppose. I have written them to let them know of my absolute displeasure over this. I know it will not change anything but they need to know it is upsetting a lot of their loyal customers.
I found another photo of the one I sold. I can’t find a pic of the COA with it though.
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After I posted the above, I opened my email to this reply from them. Needless to say I disagree with the reasoning that a kit being copied makes it ok to release it again.
|### Hjalmar Stoete sales@adriesdolls.com|Nov 20, 2024, 10:39 PM (8 hours ago)||
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Hi Angela,
Sorry to read about your outrage, as you might know, Adrie and I worked together for over 25 years and founded our company together. We always made decisions together, also this one though almost a year ago. Her unfortunate and sad passing just delayed all, as except Dottie release that was already in motion when we learned she was ill, I did not release new kits. The Lizzy release was planned next around August but due to her passing and all that needed to be done, it got delayed by 3 months. We did not have plans for a 2nd edition, maybe indeed a full body silicone but we never found an artist to do the job how we wanted it, until we learned about fake copies of Lizzy and discussed it. I will point out the reasons for this decision below and hope you will understand better.
There is not 1 specific reason but multiple actually. The illegal copies triggered it all.
- Until about the release of the Lizzy kit we did not actively do Limited Editions, we were more or less forced by competition to do so as it became a popular word; “Limited”. We never liked it and never did before, we always did do so called “Special Editions” The first 100 kits of a model that we sold exclusively through our own website. These came with numbered and signed certificates PLUS numbered and signed bodies. However we never called them Limited Editions but Special Editions as we always wanted customers to have access to our kits for a longer period of time. Like a store that keeps also older models. We still have kits from 2008 in stock and sell them regularly. From businesspoint it probably would have been better to do only Limited editions. No thousands of euro’s of stock and indeed only a short busy period to sell all and done. So less work, less money involved and maybe even better sales.
2)Lizzy was limited to 650 kits. However we only shipped about 200 of her. We kept the numbers in a book but that book got lost over the years. We did not follow up on the numbers but randomly used them. So could well be that numbers 002 till 100 are used and sold but 101 till 250 not. So technically there are still +/- 450 to be used in the range, BUT I do not know what numbers haven’t been used.
3)As mentioned at #1, we never believed in Limited Editions, mostly we made very large numbers to keep kits freely available for our customers. It is now very common in the market so with Quinlyn we already started with a limited first edition (2159) and an open 2nd edition. First edition came with signed and numbered certificates. 2nd was just an open edition for customers that just like the sculpt and are not hunting for a kit because it is limited.
4)Over the years we got many requests for her, even now after 8 years of release date we still get at least weekly a question for Lizzy. So nice to be able to please these customers too now. Seeing how fast the number I had sold out and the backorders that are placed on our website, many people are happy.
5)Counterfeits, we learned Lizzy was also copied and people that have NO RIGHT at all, are now selling her for prices of normal kits as they profit from and make use of her popularity. By selling her ourselves now, we at least offer genuine kits with genuine certificate to hopefully destroy their market. We as a company but also we all in the reborn world cannot have illegal kits flooding the market or it will cease to exist.
- Financial part is also there. Seeing these thiefs earning money from Adriesdolls sculpts and kits is just disgusting. Adrie put her heart and sole into her work and we worked hard from the early start of reborning, being pioneers with many new innovative things. Invested thousands and thousands. These thiefs should not be rewarded in any way. And yes I know, that is part of being in business, taking risks, investing, losing sometimes but in the end it was also the living of 2 families. And also in many cases of our valued customers.
I think I mentioned all now and I hope this explains a bit the reason, as said, not a specific one that is more important but all together it made me decide to go on with it and restart Lizzy. Seeing her popularity and the reactions I made many people happy with it and I hope people that are less happy with this decision will atleast understand the motivation after reading this.
If still with me, thank you for reading till the end. 
Have a good week and never hesitate to contact me in case of questions. Always here to help!
Enjoy reborning!
Hjalmar Stoete
Lovely greetings from The Netherlands,
Hjalmar Stoete
Adriesdolls
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I had a “back and forth” via Messenger last night and got the same baloney…. I called BS… if he had 400 of the originals in stock, why not keep selling those 8 years ago?
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That is absolute baloney. It reeks of “well shoot, our talented sculptor passed away. How can we continue to maximize our profits on her talents?”
Very uncool. Unfortunately, Adrie can no longer benefit from the sale of her kits. I know I won’t be supporting their greed. I’ll only buy from reputable artist friends if I see something I just have to have.
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