I like ghsp thinning medium for certain details… I need to find a good replacement for that.
liquithin is not it.
3 Likes
I just finished a doll and used liquithin for the first few wash layers. He is going out as a boo boo because that turned out to be a disaster. Never again.
2 Likes
Thankfully, since mine was only used for one layer in the creases I was able to scrap out the area not working right and repaint it. I also was told that putting a layer of Xodus matte varnish over problem spots had solved issues for another person. So I went over the creases that I fixed with that as well.
I agree with you though. NEVER again! I put my whole set up for sale and sold it last night. Let someone else who loves those paints enjoy but I hate them!
5 Likes
I discussed my postings with Esther this morning. Esther has stated that she has had no reports to her of any issues with cracking. She also states that her products were tested for 2 years before marketing them. She says, “The cracking is NOT from the Lliquithin. It is from improper use.” She did go on to say that it can be applied too thickly and that it works best when thinned out. I pointed out to her that this was not what she was saying in her group originally when I was following the instructions as to how to use it. Initially she was saying this product was meant to replace thinners to get away from using harmful solvents. It had been my understanding not to thin it when she had said in the group that it works best when not thinned. So either I misunderstood what she was saying initially or she has modified how it is best used now. She did also say it works well with the Citrus Thinner I use instead of solvent because she had tried thinning it out with that. She also said, “We say bake UP TO 15 mins. But typically 12 minutes is fine.” She reiterates that she wants anyone who has had issues to contact her personally. I do feel that mine was not applied thickly when I painted my creases but according to what I understand from our conversation, she now recommends it to be thinned out and mine was not. I told her I would pass this info along to you all.
5 Likes
I took “too thick” as meaning the layer wasnt pounced enough. Not that it needs thinner added. But could be wrong.
Mine is shiny and barely changes anything color wise… I think due to starting out white… But doesnt crack. I will definitely go through more paint than ever before if I continue using any IRHSP.
My matte varnish left a sheen also. Esther sent me a new jar to try. Hopefully it mattes better.
1 Like
Hmm thank you for sharing. I bought my IRHSP at ROSE from the demonstrations. I talked to them (Esther and Pia) about how LiquiThin was replacement for thinners. I didn’t want to use any thinners and and I didn’t own any thinners, I was coming from air dry and these would be the only paints I would buy and the only things I would need other than an oven.
I have a doll I had tried to make using 100% IRHSP products and I did have cracking when I bent the lips and the elbows, but coming from air dry I didn’t know if that was normal. My air dry mouths don’t crack but I’m an expert at air dry and a newbie with heat set. I have pictures of that, I will send them an email later because I think maybe I fixed her lips since then but I’m not home right now to take more pictures. I will update you all when I have my results.
3 Likes
I bought mine at DOTWE she definitely said it was to replace thinners. I specifically asked if it could be thinned with thinners because just looking at it I could tell it would be too thick for me. She was reluctant to say yes it could and just kept repeating it’s not necessary because it’s to replace thinners. I did my washes thinned with Gamsol. I have no clue what layers are causing the white cracky look because it’s also varnished now too. I have baked the crap out of it, if the issue is that it’s not cured properly then it’s never going to be cured at this point.
4 Likes
Mine was shiny too
2 Likes
This is what Esther said to me at DOTWE while giving the sample bottle.
3 Likes
No, it’s NOT normal.
2 Likes
Maybe but then she goes on to tell me it works well thinned with the Ecohouse Extra Mild Citrus thinner that I normally use now. So why would she use that if she is not using it to thin it out? I don’t exactly need to have to pounce a lot on my layers either. Never had to do that before with anything. Terminology may not be exactly right to say “cracking”. Maybe crazing? Going white and staying white as if it has delaminated? I am not sure how to best describe it but from all the issues that I have seen photos of we are having the same thing happen.
3 Likes
I decided it is best for me to delete my previous post and move on. I sold my all IRHSP line products and I am not interested in pursuing them further. I am glad they work well for many others
5 Likes
I have gone back and watched videos on her page of people painting hair and using the paint and Liquithin pretty thickly or at least it appears so in the video. I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around how this works for some and others get cracking/delamination. She said to me any time there are issues it is from improper use and not the Liquithin. So all I can say is if you have issues send her messages and photos and keep sending them until she explains exactly what it is that needs to be done differently. I lost patience with it myself. In all honesty, I did not message Esther at my point of total frustration. Instead I went to my community where I felt more comfortable asking for help. That did cause some issues and some unnecessary drama.
8 Likes
You are a rock in the comunity…thank you!
6 Likes
That is sweet of you to say!
4 Likes
I respect your opinion because it is not tainted by any kind of allegiance!
8 Likes
Ya it was unfortunate that a discussion with your community caused drama. I’m not going to bother doing anything about it. I don’t really care for it that much and I have no reason I need to use it. I can just carry on with odourless thinner the way I’ve been painting. I was just open to giving it a try. I’ll leave it on the back burner for now and maybe after some time passes the bugs will be worked out and there will be more experience with people using it to give more insight.
5 Likes
Totally this. 100% agree.
5 Likes
I had my first issue with Liquithin. I used a mixture that was more than half liquithin with IRHSP for creases. I really don’t think it can be used in creases unless that crease color is mostly paint- otherwise it won’t cure without excessive baking times (at least for me). I guess the improper use is leaving a thicker layer in the crease. But it’s hard not to do that as that’s how it naturally pools in creases.
Here is Elsie’s crease that flaked away. It happened in the arm and leg creases too.
I have used it in hair painting but with only a few drops in my mixture and the rest is paint. That all went fine but I think I can get finer hairs without. I did like being able to feel the hairs so i’m not closed off to the idea of practicing more. I’ve been using Xodus oil mixed with IRHSP for the hair and I love that combo.
7 Likes
This is exactly what happened in my creases. I don’t really see how that was an improper technique. Especially if you thinned it some. I think it may be more of a limitation of what that product can be used for. I did not put an excessive amount of paint in them either. I would personally caution that the IRHSP thinning medium is a better choice for creases maybe. Because the liquithin is self leveling one cannot control it settling in the crease. I may revisit the liquithin at a later time after I watch everyone else’s results for a while.
Edited to add baking multiple times even at 15 mins would not fix mine once it had delaminated.
6 Likes