A friend gave me this complete vinyl doll to paint and reborn. I would like to know which one this is so I can see reference pics online. It may be a knockoff I am not sure. But it only us the identifying marks of “TY 1791” on back of doll’s neck. I’ve included a few pics so you can reference the hands and the mouth and feet and ears, etc. full vinyl put together, anatomically correct female doll. Sleeping with smile on face - lower lip tucked under upper lip - cute and slightly prominent ears - flat face
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Thanks so much. At first I thought my doll’s lips are different. But they’re not. As to the different limbs —Might be a knock of Rosie. I’m not sure.
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I think there isnt a definate lip line so it looks “tucked under” but it isnt.
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Yes I see that now.
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I’m guessing she’s a knock-off. 
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Sad face.
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I believe this is the knock off of Rosie Faber. Amazon/eBay and wish all have this doll with the matching limbs you have
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Thanks. I wish it wasn’t a knock off but a friend gifted her to me to paint so I will paint her. I won’t represent her as a Rosie though.
You should not support knock if/stolen sculpts in any way shape of form. If your friend stole from a store and gave to you, would that be ok?
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Wow. I’m not going to address this further. Thank you all for your help and encouragement so far. I’ll try to go from here without help. I wish you all well.
No one is trying to pick on you. Please see it from the artist’s point of view.
They are having difficulty selling their reborns due to all the fake dolls flooding the market.
Then you find out that the doll you have is a fake but say you’re still going to keep it. That’s like a kick in the shins (and bank account) to all the artists out there that are trying to make a living ethically.
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This is uncalled for. And frankly, it’s insulting. I am not only an artist in my own right, but I am also a published professional writer and I would never knowingly do anything to undermine any legitimate artist. However, no one is giving me the benefit of the doubt. It’s very disrespectful.
It is because I was concerned that I asked. As to whether I keep it or not, that is simply no ones business. Of course I will keep it. I will paint it and I will enjoy it. And if some elderly woman can benefit from holding this baby you can dang well bet she will be able to do so.
What I would never do is attempt to sell it, or pass it off as a legit Rosie. But to use it to practice painting and rooting and to keep it myself is no ones business but my own. And for anyone to talk down to me as if I’m a child or insinuate that I have less integrity than they do, is uncalled for.
By using that sculpt at all. You are supporting theives and hurting real artists. As much as you try to spin it to make it okay…those are the facts.
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THIS👏
Perhaps if you don’t like the answers you were given, you should stop posting.
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Perhaps I should. Never have enjoyed a mean girl clique. My best to you all.
Defending our art and protecting each other isn’t being mean. Many of us. Myself included. Have been reborn artists for many years. Our art is being ruined by these knockoffs. Its wrong to use them. They belong in the garbage.
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Perhaps you should read this, written by Bonnie Brown
“Hello, my name is Bonnie Brown and I have been sculpting babies for around 15 years now.
My current available sculpted blank vinyl canvases are Twin A, Twin B, Saskia, Levi, Liam, Tink, Chase and Maddie.
I started sculpting when I was younger, inspired instantly by many at the time in first discovering this art existed and with my massive obsession with babies, it was totally irresistible for me.
I started with $20, given to me for my birthday by my Grandma, and I bought a tiny bar of polymer clay, I didn’t have any tools, but anything can be a tool in sculpting, I tried tooth picks, a crochet hook, needles and my now favourite, a pin with a ball head, I think I cleared my mothers pin cushion fairly quickly.
My first sculpt was put on eBay at $1 with no reserve and it ended up selling for $20, which was then combined with the remainder of my birthday money to purchase a bigger bar of clay.
I have been producing my dolls into vinyl myself since 2010 and have used my developing sculpting skills to build a business. It was a normal thing to walk to the post office with a trolley full of kits for the longest time, and with every release and support of those who buy my work my life has changed and developed to where I am today, today in these Covid days, we are so thankful to be working from home and to be able to drive the parcels to the post office!
It takes so much love, time and effort to make one baby, I decided to live stream whilst working to give some insight into how much work goes into each sculpt, in hoping when you hold my work you can see that quiet heart that is very much a part of every baby I make.
It takes me a long time to sculpt a baby, I am very particular and work on several at a time, so it normally can take up to 5 years to complete each sculpt. The quickest sculpt I have made was Saskia, who over 3 months I worked on every moment I had, but not without sacrifice as I neglected a lot of other things.
The money from the purchasing of my work first and foremost pays taxes, various bills and production cost. I take a wage from it that supports my life, bills, food, pets etc, but one thing that most don’t know about me is that I am constantly saving for my life long dream of having my own children. We have been struggling with infertility for years and I want nothing more in life than to have my own babies and I will never ever give up trying to fulfill that dream. I don’t want to go into great detail, but we have to do ivf with genetic testing, and it is so expensive, emotionally and financially. We have done it with no success so far, and this year we hoped to try again, and then the world started falling apart and its just not safe to do so, which is terrifying quite honestly, I feel like my time is running out and my best chance at achieving my dream just isn’t an option right now. We have always wanted a big family and to have lots of babies.
The counterfeiting of my work and others over these past few years is out of control. I get messages from many of you constantly about them and it is truly just devastating.
I would like to be honest with you in saying that to stop every person who is making counterfeits of my work, I would have to spend the rest of my life in law suits trying to stop them. I do not have any desire to do that, but that does not mean that it doesn’t affect or bother me immensely, it truly breaks my heart. I want these people to stop but I also want to live my life focused on positive things, working towards my dream, and sculpting for those who love and respect my work. A law suit to stop each and every person/company that has stolen my work would take more money than they have already taken from me, but most importantly it would consume me and it would be years and years to have it taken care of, and none of us know how much time we have in life, its best to use our lives doing things that we love and things that make us happy.
It has been increasingly hard to sculpt knowing people are doing this and profiting off of my years of hard work, and more so knowing that people are purchasing them full knowing they are fakes.
There is a huge counterfeit market in Brazil fueled by reborn artists and collectors alike and recently I have noticed that they have been popping up more and more in China. Today I received a message from an artist saying that there is a group on Facebook run by some reborn artists in Spain who are sending kits they want to various companies in China and getting those companies to reproduce them, they are buying them in bulk and these companies are now selling these kits all over the internet.
It is very much illegal to take the work of anyone and have it reproduced without permissions from the original sculpting artist.
It is heartbreaking that people are doing this. It is confusing that they believe it is ok.
They just want what they want and don’t care how they get it.
I have been fighting off this awful thought for several weeks now, that completing a new sculpt is contributing to the problem because I am making new sculpts for people to take advantage of. As a result, I haven’t been able to sculpt and I haven’t wanted to sculpt, because my head keeps telling me, no new babies, no new heart break, this really is affecting me right now.
My mental state in art is probably the most important thing, if my head is not in the right space, nothing works.
The counterfeit issue is growing by the day and I feel it is not up to any sculptor to stop this from happening, it will always happen, as there are people out there who purchase them. People need to stop buying them.
People who do the wrong thing will always be there, but I know there are so many who do the right thing by me as a sculpting artist and I really do appreciate that.
So I plead that if you love my work, please respect my art and support me by not buying cheap counterfeits of my babies, your support means so much to me and I love sculpting babies, I worry that if I can no longer financially support making vinyl kits, I will have to stop making them.
All I can do is make people aware that there are fakes of my work out there and hope that they choose to support me over people who haven’t put years of their love and effort into this work they are illegally profiting on.
All my current kits have certificates of authenticity, we are striving to find ways to make them more and more identifiable so those who do want to morally support my sculpts can.
The best way right now is to only buy kits from my authorized retailers and be aware there are reborn babies out there by reputable artists that have been made with these counterfeit kits, ask to see the certificate of authenticity and even a receipt of kit purchase from an authorized retailer.
Thank you for reading and thank you for doing the right thing by me.”
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This!!!
I don’t want to see Bonnie and other sculptors stop making babies for us. And that’s what will happen if people keep buying the fakes.
You say you are a published writer. How would you feel If people took your work. Switched up a few paragraphs and reprinted and sold it as if it was legitimate?
I imagine you would be pretty upset and angry. And rightfully so.
This is the same sort of thing.
And then. What if people justified having the fake copy of your work by saying its not your business. It was cheaper. Someone gave it to you. And any manner of excuse they wanted to use.
You would be upset. And rightfully so!
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Please be aware that apart from being bad for artists, kits and dolls like that are completely untested. The vinyl is likely to contain dangerous substances that would never be allowed in legitimate kits.
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