Did Natalie Scholl leave FB?

Omg sounds like a :poop: show opened a can of worms

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Yeah I saw that post and felt bad for everyone cause she mentioned what she said to do and not to do in her video. I tried watching her video a few times but my brain can’t hold onto technical info and I can’t follow and I fell asleep each time I tried to watch it :weary:

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I feel bad for Natalie

I’m sure she is really frustrated because she put alot of effort into this so I don’t blame her for being upset :pleading_face: could have been handled differently but in hindsight…. There is always next time

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I feel bad for the artist who was targeted, the person who owns a legally purchased doll that’s now been declared inauthentic by the sculptor due to no fault of her own, the artists and sellers who’ve been shamed for posting COAs for decades, the sculptors who’ve been blamed for destroying the industry ā€œfrom the inside,ā€ and our community at large. No one benefits from this disaster.

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I took a look at Stephanie’s video after seeing the drama and you are right about her bulling. In fact I clicked off it when she started her BS about how she accepts all dolls and the ā€œsculptors should have copyrighted their art if they don’t want it stolenā€ crap. I am so disappointed in Natalie and won’t be buying any of her kits in the future. This new COA sticker thing is confusing and I’m sure there will be mistakes made by artists until it catches on.

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I won’t click on one of her videos because I know it generates ad revenue for her. Everything she gets mixed up in turns to a sticky situation in which she’s usually on the less than honorable side of things.

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What? I had no idea that happened! That is not right…

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Probably an unpopular opinion, but i haven’t been a fan of natalie since she bullied Bonnie Brown and accused her of copying her recent sculpt. I only see her as a bully now. This just confirms that feeling i had about her.

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How can an authentic sculpt now be not authentic? I’m confused…

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On one hand, it’s impossible to NOT have a real one. It’s brand new. There have been zero fake Everleigh Gwen kits sold. The kit has not been counterfeited by any factory. All kits floating around were sold legally.

On the other hand, Natalie says so.

Natalie noticed that one artist didn’t follow the instructions (((((EDIT: PROOF OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS PENDING. THIS MAY BE A MISCOMMUNICATION? I WILL LEAVE THE REST OF MY REPLY UP BUT PLEASE REMEMBER THIS IS JUST MY OPINION ON WHAT I THINK HAPPENED BASED ON THAT I SAW, PLEASE ALSO READ THE REPLIES BELOW MINE)))) that came with her brand new (and flawed imo) style of COA. Posting a clear photo of these COAs online isn’t allowed, because it provides counterfeiters a good photo to copy when they get around to it. It puts the entire kit release more at risk.

The artist in question wasn’t the first or only person to make this mistake, but the first to make Natalie mad. Natalie asked her to take the photos down, but she didn’t. She didn’t realize how serious this was going to be taken. The doll was already sold and in the possession of a collector. (The artist has since apologized and deleted the photos.)

Natalie posted screenshots and wrote on her Facebook that this one specific doll was no longer authentic. I don’t remember the specific number but it was something like ā€œkit 67/750ā€ is no longer authentic.

(EDIT: I think it would have been more accurate if Natalie had said ā€œthe doll is no longer authenticable with the 3S system.ā€ 3S is security system she invented. Something that isn’t authenticable isn’t necessarily inauthentic. I would also argue that the receipt of sale is another way of authenticating a kit.)

What about the other people who already showed the COA, too? Well, Stephanie wrote that she and Natalie already have those people’s info and will be going after those dolls next.
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Another part of the story: The buyer of the doll was in Natalie’s comments sad and confused about the situation. This was her second reborn, ever! and she was excited to have a doll with a COA. Natalie told her to message about getting a replacement COA to make the doll authentic again, but last I saw, Natalie had not responded to the buyer’s message the next day.

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This is all so stupid to me lol the doll is authentic because she bought it from Natalie or truborns. But because she does something with the COA it makes it unauthentic all of the sudden? Sorry I still must be missing something.

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You say the artist didn’t follow the directions that came with the COA. The directions do not say not to show it online. I have been asking for someone to show me where it says that and no one can. It does not state it anywhere.

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That is REDICULOUS

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Natalie is taking a social media break. I have been told that she is okay…

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Thank you. You’re right, I haven’t seen instructions stating you can’t post a photo of the complete COA either, but that was my understanding based on Natalie’s words on Facebook. That, plus Stephanie’s video on the topic. I assumed there really were written instructions saying that. I’m so sorry if I was repeating false information. I am very regretful that I used Stephanie as a source for that. She is just so adamant about there being certain instructions I really thought it that part of her videos was true. Thank you for encouraging me to do a deep dive.

This and Natalie’s video is all I can find for instructions.

Even in Stephanie’s kit review from 3 weeks ago she says "She (Natalie) recommends that you, when you have your personal COAs, you don’t show the full scan bar or the serial number, you really want to keep that inclusive to yourself and to whoever buys the kit, they’re going to get all this information when they buy it."

It’s phrased as a recommendation.

If this is truly was all there was… maybe I’m not understanding? If there really weren’t written instructions saying not to show certain things, then idk why was the kit declared inauthentic? I’m aware these people disagreed about some things, but personal relations shouldn’t have had any impact on the authenticity of the kit, right?

I really wonder if the rule about not showing the complete COA was something Natalie spoke about so frequently in private that she missed having it as an official rule in the paperwork. Like an oversight, maybe?

I do think I need to transcribe what Stephanie said in her video form 3 days ago ā€œDo NOT do this… Details of NEW reborn kit| Changing realistic baby dollā€ I’m sorry type so much, but I’m still trying to understand what happened too and I don’t want to be accused of taking anything out of context. I will skip most of the personal attacks and opinions. I just want to have the words verbatim about instructions so that more people on our forum know what’s being said and by whom. I am just sharing what I’ve found because I’m a details oriented person. Please remember, the following transcript is Stephanie’s words, not mine.

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2:15 Now let’s dive into what __ has done. And I’m gonna tell you why you don’t want to do it, because if you do what __ has done, your kit now becomes a fake kit.

2:27 Look at how cute that baby is. If you have not pre-ordered this kit you want to do so now. This kit is fully protected. It will never be reproduced. It is it is truly a one of a kind out of a 750 edition kit.
2:42 But now it’s one of a kind out of a 749 kit edition because __'s kit is no longer authentic.

2:50 Alright, now you see some posts made by __. What did I go over? and what did the instructions say that Natalie sent with the reborn kit? It says to never share the serial number, bar code number, and COA number at the same time. You are only allowed to share the COA number. The serial number is the identity of your kit, it’s how you keep your kit authentic, it’s how you keep the kit from being reproduced, she has implicated the security system by sharing the bar code, now she’s giving other people who are not supposed to be reproducing the kits the opportunity to reproduce the kit because now they have all the kit’s information.

3:39 There are the instructions that Natalie Scholl sent with the kit. If you want to pause this and read it, or come back it, please so.

4:15 We all know that you weren’t supposed to share it. Natalie’s got it in her instructions, Natalie has made a video about it, and I have made a video about it, and I know __ has watched my video

4:49 If you want to show your COA in its fullness, cover it like this. So since __ shared all her information on her COA her kit has now been made nonauthentic, it’s basically a fake.

6:12 So I’m here to tell you that if you share your barcode your kit will be marked as not authentic and you are running around with a fake kit.

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My final thoughts:
This is the only public video about the COAs from Natalie There’s no point in which she says to keep the COA or code private… but maybe you could interpret that though from 8:16 - 8:32.
She says: This is the certificate of authenticity that I’ve made for Everleigh Gwen, and you can see this one because I haven’t done my embossing on it, and this is just a mock one I did up for the video to show you how this works.

If there were more instructions elsewhere, then they aren’t attached to the Everleigh Gwen purchase page. Not on the sculptor’s website or the kit dealer’s. I wish this whole situation didn’t even happen, but if there really were clear instructions, then there would’ve at least been reason to request the photos be removed. They are removed now anyway.

In my opinion, if instructions must be followed to ensure a kit remains authenticatable beyond what we’re used to (don’t throw out your COA, keep your receipt,) this needs to be clear at point of sale. I still think a kit you know was purchased legally is authentic no matter if it can be verified by a specific system. We are talking about physical items here, not NFTs.

I hope at least this leads to clearer instructions for everyone in the future. I hope that there can be some good from this. I’m glad some of the people involved are already moving on. I’m rooting for a calm ending.

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I don’t feel bad for Natalie. She is publicly associating (and sending FREE kits to) the biggest bully in the doll world, who buys counterfeits all the time, even a few weeks ago encouraging people to buy counterfeit pickles and saying she would paint them. It’s a slap in the face to every other sculptor. I know of two artists that did prototypes with her that have backed out of future opportunities.

Between this and her actions towards Bonnie, it make me wonder where her loyalties truly lie. Regardless, I won’t be purchasing anything else from her

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Just my two cents thrown in, I went back and re-read all the updates Natalie provided for Everleigh Gwen, there were 6 in total, not once did she mention keeping the COA private after receiving the kit. The only time some kind of reference was made to privacy was in her video and no one received a direct link per email from her that I know of or at least I didn’t. I saw the video a week or two later after it was made. Frankly, I am shocked, appalled, and rather angry at find out about her association with that – well, I have no words. But I can say the kit is tainted along with several others I own. And along with some of you, I have no further plans to support her. I don’t know of the issue between her and Bonnie, I stay to myself and people I know I can trust. But Bonnie is a decent soul and has had enough done wrong to her.

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Wow, you were really thorough in searching for the instructions. I feel if it wasn’t clearly stated and if one has to go to that much work to find this detail about keeping the COA secret then we shouldn’t be expected to just ā€œknowā€ that it shouldn’t be shown.

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