Kay I read all this thread and I can somewhat see what you are saying but I am not sure that crappy reborns selling for low prices are going to be the largest contributing factor to sales/sale prices declining for others. Seems like ever since I started reborning back in 2004 that there have been crappy reborns selling for low prices. I have to admit when I look back at some of my first babies I sold I would have to put them in that category! LMBO! At the time though I was so excited with my new found hobby that they were all beautiful to me.
I DO agree that the reborn market is now flooded but it seems to me that is more the result of large varieties of kits being sold now at sale prices as well as multiple reborning tutorials and videos that can be purchased or are free. The fact is that I never buy a reborn from someone else because I can make it myself cheaper if I really want it. Can I make it as lovely as some of my favorite artists? No, but then I CAN make a very nice reborn that I am proud to own (not a crappy one either) for myself cheaper than buying one and money wins out every time. So I think a lot of our buyers have now become reborners so that they can make their own for cheaper too.
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I have been reborning for about 5 years and all I can say is we are all going to be “better at this than others and not as good as some”. I think I have improved in some areas and in others maybe I will NEVER improve because it is the BEST that I can do.
Also - there is a market out there for those really talented reborners whose babies are going to sell for $600, $800 and way more. And then there are going to be those that sell for $300, $400 and some of us are maybe only going to sell for $150 - $250. But guess what? Whoever we sell to has chosen US and OUR babies and we have made them happy no matter what they have paid.
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I quoted Judy on this because I think she brings up very good points as well. I am ever striving to improve my reborning skills and if you look over my reborn album pages from the last 6 years I think you will see a definite improvement. Even still there are many out there who are much better than me. I don’t know if I am as good as I will ever be (hopefully not) but I don’t think I am crappy (like my earlier days ha ha!)
Sometimes I sell what I call Budget Babies that are still very nice reborns with just a onesie or sleeper because I can sell them when nothing else is moving. Sometimes I leave them bald or I do give them lightly painted hair. I have actually had buyers request it due to mohair allergies. I used to not care for painted hair either but I have learned that there are buyers who do. There are also reborn artists out there that can give their babies painted hair that looks amazingly realistic to me.
I also have been selling more dolls locally rather than on Ebay lately and I can tell you that around here $200 is average with $250 being the most you are going to get anyone to pay for a doll. There are no ebay and PP fees to pay and it is not all bad. That is why I try to hit the $30 sale kits on DD or BB, glean the clearance clothing racks, and buy supplies on sales in bulk so that I can afford to make and sell a reborn for that price. I would love to make more money but for me it is more about the ability to keep doing something I love than making money.
I also wanted to comment on the feedback. I like many used to give everyone nice comments and no real feedback. Then 3 years ago when I opened my own forum I decided that I would stop that and give honest feedback on all boards where I post. Feedback can be encouraging of positive aspects and truthful about what needs improvement all at the same time. However, not all reborners want to hear the truth. Often you get told basically “thanks but no thanks” or “I like it the way it is” and the reborner will not fix what is wrong and will still put the baby up for sale. It isn’t until we are all willing to detach our own emotions from our work and look at it from a distance that we can really learn.
That’s not to say that all feedback on chat boards is reliable either. I have had some stupid suggestions on boards over the years too! I found a couple artists that I admire their work who have good sales and credibility in the business and I go ask them for critique. I can say that listening to feedback from those I respect in the art has really helped me improve and I encourage everyone to form relationships with those you admire who are willing to help you along.
Well, I didn’t mean to ramble on so much and I hope that I didn’t offend anyone. I don’t get over here to post nearly as much as I used to but I have been sick this week and have had lots of computer time.
Dolly hugs to you all!